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After the Gents…

 

Okay, after the Gents – so let's pick up the story where it left off after that last gig at Thurcroft, which if you've read the History of the Gents section, you will know all about:-

     So, we know that in February 1989 the Gents basically split into two new bands, The Mens' Club and Lip Service.  The Mens' Club formed from Steve Chambers, Glyn Davies and Steve Kendell from the Gents along with three others, Ian West on drums, Bryn Abbott (aka D'Abo) on guitar and Julian Bury on bass.  Lip Service were Martin Burton from the Gents, with his wife Julie Burton and two other girls on backing vocals. As far as I remember Martin played guitar and they might have had a drummer and a bass track on sequencer, but I might be wrong on that.

     Both acts were set up as club acts, cabaret acts, call them what you will, neither of them with any intention of recording, and thus set off playing the same South Yorkshire and North-East WM and Social Club circuit that the Gents had banged away at like a brick wall for the previous ten years.  I guess the truth is that having given their youths away to the music scene, along with the added element of it all being tied in with the chance that was being taken of "making it", whatever that means, then the four members of the Gents were left in a position where music was pretty much their only big skill.  So I guess having the reached the point of realisation after ten years that it wasn't going to happen, and so being in a club band was probably the only option left open to each of them to keep earning a living.  Sad really.

     Anyway, Lip Service lasted a few years, into some point of the mid-90s, when I think Martin got tired of working most nights and Lip Service just sort of dribbled away and he started to concentrate on helping his brother Paul with the agency side of the business, known as Burton Management.  Then, at some point after that, a new act started to appear in the club guide listings, an act calling itself by some strange process of thinking the New Gents!  Okay, we thought (those on the Men's Club side of things), what's that all about then?  Well it transpired that Paul and Martin had put together this club act, an act which with the best will in the world, could only accurately be described as a club/cabaret boy band (ie dancing and singing to backing tracks), and this act was going out as "The New Gents".  I imagine this was based on some sort of idea that Paul and Martin owned the Gents' name, but to be honest the legalities of that have never been made clear to me.  Anyway, somewhat of an insult to the memory and legacy of the real Gents we thought, but in the long-run, whatever turns them on.

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A slightly more mid-nineties version of the Men's Club

The next development in this story was that after a year or maybe two or so (by this point we're up to maybe about 2000) of this New Gents, a full page advert appeared in the Clubman's Guide, which is an A5 sized monthly booklet placed in clubs which is cover to cover adverts by clubs for their upcoming cabaret nights etc, saying something or other about the fact that "due to legal factors the band currently known as "The New Gents" will henceforth be known as wait for it…"Nu Gent"!  Somebody was having a laugh, surely!  Well actually no, it seems they weren't.

     Whether or not "Nu-Gent" continue to this day I know not, but I doubt it and to be perfectly honest I'm pretty sure I'd be safe in betting they don't.

     Well back to the Men's Club; after foundation in 1988/9, a point was reached in the early or mid-90s where drummer Ian West left and was replaced by Errol Rollins, a black lad and very nice bloke, and then guitarist Bryn left and went to another club act, Housequake.  Bryn was replaced eventually by Richard D'Oliveira, a mixed-race geordie lad who played saxophone and sang a bit and danced a lot. The Men's Club simply spent all those years trudging around the same clubs as the Gents playing dancy covers and remain doing so to this day.

     In late 1999, I had been taken on by the band (being during one of my periods of only doing agency work) to do lights for the band when they had to lay off their more experienced and therefore more expensive crew, so I saw things at that time pretty much first-hand.  Well, the next development is quite sensational, because in the year 2000 Steve Kendell, one of the original Gents left the Men's Club in what can only be described as a non-amicable fashion.  As I maintain a reasonable relationship with all three of them, and out of respect for differing positions I'm not going to express opinions on this public forum, but simply to state facts as I know them and saw them happen.

     I have to tell you that I do know exactly just what it was all about but in consideration of the above-mentioned good relationships I'm not going to repeat those particular details here on a public forum.  To cut a long story short, after a Men's Club gig at Wath & West Melton WMC near Rotherham, a gig during which let's say things were strained, there was a frank exchange of opinions in the dressing-room and at that point Steve Kendell left the partnership and the band.  And that to be honest was that.

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Meet the Public EP by King Cinder

     So to cut a long story short the Men's Club carried on doing the same thing, the clubs and dancy covers, which they remain doing to this day, and Kendell retreated to Barnsley where he continues to live with his girlfriend Debbie, went to college and recently gained a Degree in Illustration and Design.  Initially after leaving the Men's Club he worked for a while with an entertainment agent in Rotherham booking bands into clubs etc.  His next move is to soon take a PGCE qualification and become a Technology and Design teacher.  He currently has no involvement with music whatsoever, but the last time I saw him he said he wouldn't never say never again to anything like that.

     The Men's Club, they just grind on with the same old club scene earning a living and probably will do for quite a while yet.  They still do a version of the Gents' World Famous Drum Solo, setting things on fire etc.  Steve Chambers to his eternal credit is a serious and original musician, and I don't think that any of the other three would dispute that he is easily the most talented musician of the four ex-Gents and around 2001 or 2002 briefly started an original band for a hobby if you like, called King Cinder (named after a children's TV series of the 70s starring I believe Peter Duncan), who have a very new wave influenced sound. They self-released one EP length single known as Meet the Public, for which yours truly was privileged to be asked to do the cover design and over three years or so they have recorded many higher quality demos of original songs.  I believe they are currently in what might be described as a dormant state.  Steve played occasionally with a folk rock Doncaster band Stafford Galli who have a long history before he joined and a large cult following.  Their drummer is Dean Cousins with whom Steve formed King Cinder along with Adrian Evans, formerly of another Doncaster band No Man's Land and who I know through my own work, 'cause in the real world he's a Probation Officer! (I for my sins am an Admin Officer in the same Service, not a Service User as we rather euphemistically call them!

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The current Men's Club as at September 2006

     Glyn, away from the Men's Club, has managed to branch out a little and picked a couple of acting jobs that I know about, one recently in a stage version of Rita, Sue and Bob, which considering he's being doing an impression of the old man (Sue's dad) on stage with the Men's Club for 16 years or so, is probably logical.  He told me recently that he's hoping to get the part of Judd Casper in a stage version of Kes next year.  A few years ago he had a bit part in the Ken Loach film The Navigators, a political piece about safety on the railways in South Yorkshire starring Steve Huison, the ginger-haired one in The Full Monty (the one who tries to gas himself in his car!).  Glyn did get to speak a couple of lines.  The film is available on DVD and also ensured that Glyn appears on IMDb, the Internet Movie Database.

     In the last few years Martin Burton has resurfaced on the club scene, after the travesty of a mockery of a farce of the New Gent/Nu-Gent, in a cabaret singing outfit called Martin Burton and the Soul Men. They do exactly what they say on the tin, 60s and 70s Tamla Motown covers, very similar to many bands of the same image currently on the club circuit.  They're okay I guess, better than Lip Service!  I last saw Martin when chancing across a Soul Men gig in Pontefract (close to where I live) and it must have been about April or May of 2005 because I remember him telling me about how he'd seen my on Who Wants to be a Millionaire a few short months before in January 2005.  I did speak to Martin once on the telephone a year or so back when were getting interested in hammering together a deal with Detour Records to release the CDs, but not since the project broke down.  He did send me a couple of CDs of his original songs that he had put together and I remember thinking how nice it would have been if these had been Gents songs, a bit like that emotion that tells you A Solid Bond in Your Heart should have been a Jam song.

     All-in-all, a pretty sad end to the Gents, but I'm sure all of them will tell you they're doing alright these days and I suppose for that, and for them, we should be happy.  It's a terrible shame about the acrimony of 2000.  I do still hang onto the hope that one it will all be sorted out and everybody will be on speaking terms again, especially as it does seem possible that the story receives a little more embellishment every time it is told.  Also because I personally have managed to maintain a decent ongoing relationship with all of them, even if it doesn't mean a Gents' reunion.  They are it has to be said, pretty tolerant when I now and again jokingly ask the old question "So when's the Gent's reunion?".  Hopefully I'll bore 'em into it eventually.

 

I only ever get one answer, the same from all of them…"F***ing never...".

 

 

Simon Curtis - August 2006